18 January 2013

Military Departments most likely to violate your rights

The US Army National Guard, when deployed to another state under Federal powers such as in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina, and the United States Air Force.
When questioned about the supposed federal agents wandering the floor, the caller said that despite the fact that OSI was a military agency, breaches of security when it came to the "kinds of equipment displayed at SHOT Show" gave them full domestic arrest powers.
The kinds of equipment displayed at SHOT Show are freely available to anyone with enough cash to buy them (with certain legalities to observe for NFA items).

Tyranny is always justified by "extreme circumstances" such as a hurricane, or "the kinds of equipment."

9 comments:

riverrider said...

i take exception with you saying the army national guard would be most likely to take your guns. the confiscation in NO was of a dif sort. there were real criminals shooting at first responders awa innocent citizens and there was no way to tell one from another. though i disagreed with it, i understand it. i recently retired from the ARNG after 29 years, including deployments. i can tell you the topic comes up time and again and when i left at least, nobody under 1star would take guns from law abiding citizens under a gun ban type scenario. a few days ago the local O6 told me face to face he wouldn't send "his boys" into the streets to take guns, for their safety if nothing else. most of the NG in my area own these same weapons and have no intention of giving them up, including myself. i feel the regular army, fresh from doorkicking in the sandbox, would be more likely to follow those orders due to detachment from the community. jm2c

AM said...

jm2c,

I appreciate your opinion. However it does not change the fact that what happened happened. And confiscating firearms from the people who were required to register them did not disarm the criminals who did not register their weapons.

Taking guns from law abiding citizens did not make the guardsmen safer, nor did it make citizens safer.

Anonymous said...

I'm calling horseshit on that, riverrider.
The NG and LEOs went house to house taking guns from little old ladies, law-abiding residents, and baptist ministers, proof of which takes about two clicks of google-fu and YouTube for the relevant NRA videos. It's isn't like "they couldn't tell the difference" between pursuing active shooters, and kicking down doors and holding decent folks at gunpoint. They should have been shot for trying, and prosecuted afterwards for surviving, and doing time in Leavenworth or the federal pokey to the present for those blatantly illegal actions. "Just following orders" ran out of shelf-life as a viable defense long about 1946.

OSI is full of more shit than a holiday goose too. They have no federal arrest powers. Unless actual military property is involved, they have the sole power to lodge a complaint with the FBI, who can, in fact, arrest people if federal laws have been violated. Someone AF dipshit (but I repeat myself)has thus either been horribly misquoted, or caught talking out of his ass with his pants around his ankles. They should stick to losing track of nuclear weapons, and such.

11Fsteve in the desert said...

"Anonymous said...
I'm calling horseshit on that, riverrider."

Plus One and in total agreement. You don't round up and "punish" the whole village for the work of a few who are off the reservation. If that rationale was to be true, accurate and justifiable policy, there would not be a gun in the ghetto.

Old Top said...

As an Army NCOIC on an AF base, I've had my own run ins with OSI. They only select assholes for that AFSC, believe me. Arrogant shortdicks.

Their authority ONLY extends to actual military equipment and then for current mil. issue stuff, not what Shortround THINKS is scary.

riverrider said...

well none of my boys were kicking doors, only guns they took were in the street and mostly pointed at them, and i didn't agree with it then, and i think the guard learned a valuable lesson during that time, that lesson being that civilian leadership can be wrong. my question is have any of you anonymous guys ever been in that situation? what would you do? get shot? and that was hardly a "VILLAGE", more like a cesspool. and don't believe everything you "see" on youtube. i have found many doctored tapes, the latest involving Sandy hook. and one more thing; "i call bullshit" is hardly polite and intelligent discourse. if you disagree you should say "i disagree" and rebute the statement politely and with facts, not aspersions and "i saw it on youtube". believe one thing, if the Guard is picking up your weapons you better not engage them.

AM said...

riverrider, http://freedomoutpost.com/2012/08/hurricane-katrina-door-to-door-firearms-confiscation/

ParatrooperJJ said...

Anon - You are incorrect. Civilian OSI agent have federal arrest authority for both UCMJ and civilian federal law.

Anonymous said...

" believe one thing, if the Guard is picking up your weapons you better not engage them."
Thanks for confirming what the original article articulated.