05 May 2012

The consequence of debt

So wirecutter posted a link to a story about an insider who says that DHS is arming up to go all SS on the American public.  Long story short, America can't service its debt, the dollar collapses, the world goes mad.

Normally I'm a pretty skeptical guy, so the thought of a government planning to go to war on its citizens is one that makes me ask, "what would they gain from such an action?"  After all, if you are going to do something, then you are probably doing it to gain some sort of advantage in either the short or long term.

But two years ago I would have told you that federal agents would never violate the federal laws they were sworn to uphold in order to move weapons across the border to Mexico where they would end up killing Mexican citizens and American citizens when they came back across.  Clearly the cries for "more gun control" from the usual suspects in Congress stating that their agents broke the law because they were hampered by the law not allowing them the freedom to do whatever the fuck they'd like whenever the fuck they'd like were part of the "long term gain" from that action.  They wanted more gun control, and damn the bodies they were going to get it.

So I am a little less skeptical about insiders in the .gov telling a truth that sounds too outlandish to be real.  I may not see exactly how tearing this country apart with another civil war would be in anyone's best interest, unless that party expected to be a victor, ruling unhindered by any pretense of constitutional law or restriction.

What does our current dear leader have to say about Constitutional laws and restrictions?

OBAMA: If you look at the victories and failures of the civil rights movement and its litigation strategy in the court, I think where it succeeded was to vest formal rights in previously dispossessed peoples. So that I would now have the right to vote, I would now be able to sit at the lunch counter and order and as long as I could pay for it I’d be okay.
But the Supreme Court never ventured into the issues of redistribution of wealth and sort of more basic issues of political and economic justice in this society. And to that extent as radical as people tried to characterize the Warren court, it wasn’t that radical. It didn’t break free from the essential constraints that were placed by the founding fathers in the Constitution, at least as it’s been interpreted, and the Warren court interpreted it in the same way that generally the Constitution is a charter of negative liberties. It says what the states can’t do to you, it says what the federal government can’t do to you, but it doesn’t say what the federal government or the state government must do on your behalf. And that hasn’t shifted. One of the I think tragedies of the civil rights movement was because the civil rights movement became so court focused, I think that there was a tendency to lose track of the political and community organizing and activities on the ground that are able to put together the actual coalitions of power through which you bring about redistributed change and in some ways we still suffer from that.
MODERATOR: Let’s talk with Karen. Good morning, Karen, you’re on Chicago Public Radio.
KAREN: Hi. The gentleman made the point that the Warren court wasn’t terribly radical with economic changes. My question is, is it too late for that kind of reparative work economically and is that that the appropriate place for reparative economic work to take place – the court – or would it be legislation at this point?
OBAMA: Maybe I’m showing my bias here as a legislator as well as a law professor, but I’m not optimistic about bringing about major redistributive change through the courts. The institution just isn’t structured that way.
You just look at very rare examples during the desegregation era the court was willing to for example order changes that cost money to a local school district. The court was very uncomfortable with it. It was very hard to manage, it was hard to figure out. You start getting into all sorts of separation of powers issues in terms of the court monitoring or engaging in a process that essentially is administrative and takes a lot of time.
The court’s just not very good at it and politically it’s very hard to legitimize opinions from the court in that regard. So I think that although you can craft theoretical justifications for it legally. Any three of us sitting here could come up with a rational for bringing about economic change through the courts.

Ok, I see it now.  In order to bring about the utopian dream of Marxist wealth redistribution we have to kill a bunch of people break a few eggs to make an omelet.   All the classic tricks are being worked on... take control of the food supply (stop family farms from being an economic possibility, seize food as part of "emergency response" or some such nonsense).  Can't have mass starvation in the worlds bread basket unless you follow the Russian model of starvation in the breadbasket of Asia.  Have a secret police?  Yup the Department of Education SWAT team sounds like a good start there.  I mean, how hard is it to pass an official budget?  Pretty hard it seems, unless there is absolutely no way to pass an official budget without totally destroying the illusion that there is a way out of the debt hole we've dug ourselves into.

Now I am still skeptical, often times "war games" or "emergency response scenarios" are discussed and worked at high levels (you want your people to have a plan to respond to an earthquake or massive power outage).  So this report of "planning to go to war with America" could be both true and inconsequential.  But what if it is not?  That is the question, isn't it?

5 comments:

MrG's said...

Makes me wonder what the next 4 years will hold for us, especially if Obungler gets reelected and he has "flexibility" to do what he wants without the nasty ol constitution getting in the way.

Adobe_Walls said...

As I understand what the "source" said they were preparing for the inevitable uprising that would follow the utter collapse of the dollar. If money becomes worthless particularly what I call "data money" there will certainly be massive unrest. As they say "food doesn't come from Safeway" in fact food goes to Safeway which is merely a distribution point. If that stopped the cities would be hit hardest. So their denizens will most assuredly take to the streets, the government will start confiscating food, fuel and other critical supplies and those that still have will not give it up easily. The key here is the collapse of the dollar we've been saying that what is unsustainable will stop at some point, apparently DHS and other federal agencies are confirming that simple fact.

chinasyndrome said...

Wealth redistribution is a phrase that pisses me off to no end. Why do Socialist feel the need to Redistribute? How bout those that are getting redistributed money get a JOB.Hey there's a form of redistribution that benefits all including Govt!

Most Patriot types I know are not giving up there goods nor going to camps! Feds will have worse problem than they know!

China
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Spanky said...

OK AM, you have opened the can of worms and looked within. You clearly don't like what you see. Let's dump it out and deal with it - Please help us understand how the United States Military will figure in all of this mess. It is clearly the end of the Constitution to which the Armed Services have sworn their oath.

Anonymous said...

"But two years ago I would have told you that federal agents would never violate the federal laws they were sworn to uphold in order to move weapons across the border to Mexico where they would end up killing Mexican citizens and American citizens when they came back across."

Interesting. Which means you've never seen how utterly corrupt our federal law enforcement actually is (two years ago).

I did - ten years ago, up close and personal, and have long held ever since that not a single one of these ugly, rotten bastards could be trusted to walk my mother across the street.