Rome was in decline for a long time before the Barbarians were able to sack that once great Empire. I consider myself the first wave of the Barbarian horde sacking and looting the Republic.
What is the difference between an Active Duty Soldier who gets a paycheck to risk his life and a someone freeloading off the fedgov by "making art" or reciting "Cowboy Poetry" I ask in all seriousness. The military produces nothing, the very best that you can get out of military spending is an educated worker who may actually end up putting back into the system more than it took to educate him.
It isn't that I make this nation safer in any meaningful way. Your average concealed carry citizen is doing just as much if not more than I. Morally I'm taking from you, the taxpayer, and providing what exactly in return? Yes I go to war, big deal, more than half of you don't want to waste money in remote hell holes to begin with in the first place.
I'm the guy that makes foreign wars in remote hell holes possible. I'm the guy who signs up to do that job because it is easier than real work. When the economy goes south recruitment goes up, because those who are willing to do violence for money are never in that short of supply to fill the ranks of the big green machine.
Someone told me a long time ago that "When you wake up three days in a row and feel like you can't make a difference in the life of a Soldier you need to get out." And so far that hasn't happened. But for the last few years I've woken up feeling like I can't do a damn thing to help out my Nation.
At least I every morning I can wake up and say, "at least I'm not in the TSA where my job is to sexually molest young children and the disabled" and "at least I'm not in the BATFE where my job is to kill innocent civilians in multiple nations and violate the civil rights of Americans."
At best I'm a benign tumor in a terminally ill patient dieing of parasitic overload.
Yes there are lies we tell ourselves to pretend we are knights in shining armor instead of naked berserkers ripping the very flesh off the slowly dieing Republic. The Romans used Barbarians when they could, and succumbed to them when they no longer had the strength to deal with those who only deal in strength.
The looting has started, and it is in my paycheck that while the number has increased over the years has lost real value over the years. And still, all this spending that has been done on the .mil over the years is nothing to the redistribution of Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid. Those three programs of "getting something for nothing" have done more harm to the American Republic than anything I could do. Loot what you can, while you can, right?
But then I think of my sons. And what future will they have? What can I do to position them in the best possible position of advantage for the circumstances for their life. Not all Republics collapse and rise again as something better. Most collapse into a dictatorship or worse. It is a pressing problem, one that I am exacerbating with every day served. But even if every servicemember chose to not show up tomorrow the fall would still happen, and there is nothing that any of us can do about it now.
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The money spent on you and yours is not squandered. You don't get to pick where you fight or even why, you just go were told. That the missions assigned are almost certainly doomed in the end isn't your responsibility it's ours. Easier than real work, really? You guys do fight for your country or try to, don't get to decide how or where, but that time is coming. There aren't many institutions/mobs that even pay lip service to concepts like honor or duty anymore, even if only honored in the breach that's alot more than most of our culture.
In all seriousness, what is the Return on Investment for what I do for the .gov?
My whole industry is about taking something concrete, ie taxpayer dollars, and turning it into something conceptual, like "deterrent defense" or "safety."
My job is to take something real and turn it into something unreal. Pretty messed up, huh?
I remember sweating my ass off in the Honduran sun in 84-87 thinking I was making a difference in the world.
I remember dragging a deuce and a trailer across the desert in 90/91 thinking I was doing some good.
I remember engraving award plates in 91-94 thinking I was touching someone or something that no one else was.
I work at a place I thought would be more noble than all others combined, taking care of the 'us' that we were, as the 'us' we are now.
It wasn't until I got where I am now that I know I was helping no one but myself the entire time.
It IS about you, and will never change unless you get out of it completely. There is nothing to be ashamed of, tho. Each motor drives many moving parts before the wheels see any action. And if one of those parts breaks, or goes missing, nothing moves. I just muddle on, hoping that at least once I touch something or someone that makes it worth THEIR time.
Right. I remember sitting on the flight deck, thinking, I'm just a pawn in there game. Ive got it straight now- God, family, country. in that order. we are going down, hard. I don't know when, not to far off in the future though. I don't worry about myself, just my children.
Soldiers (et al) do not "take" from the citizenry. The perspective is wrong. People have been trying to think in business terms & consider how best to run the military as a "profit center." HORSEHOCKEY! It's a "work center" folks, it will never pay you a profit that goes in your wallet. So ditch the warm/fuzzy/PC Death by Powerpoint and remember that we keep a standing military to PROTECT our interests. The sooner people realize that, the kmore likely they are to be a bit more reticent (hopefully) about how they use this treasured asset.
Stand tall AM. You, I, and zillions more do it for a different reason. We need to be honed, we'd like to come back, but it's a different deal. When the American people get back to being Americans and thinking like them they will be more, not less, hesitant to pull us from the scabbard. I didn't swear & don't keep an oath out of profit and I'm certain you don't either.
That is my point, we are drawing a paycheck in order to protect what exactly?
Not the borders, not the civil liberties of American Citizens, not the public.
What are we protecting? What threat is actually cowed by the US Military?
I think your feelings on the subject are correct. The problem is that the government has grown so big that there are very few who can say that they do not benifit. Healthcare, education, public service, the military are all feeding from the same trough. Many other businesses profit because of government rules and loopholes rather than productive enterprise. We have a system that rewards taking advantage rather than being a producer.
I strugle with this a lot as a RN. We are far from underpaid at the moment. If i was just helping productive members of society return to work I would feel much better about what I do. Instead I spend most of my time with the disabled, unemployed and uninsured. I enjoy what I do and feel it is a worthwhile profession but I think because of government regulation i take more than I give back to society. I also have amresponsability to take care of my family to the best of my ability so I feel like I a stuck "in the system".
Let me know if you come up with a solution.
Tobias
"Cowards and sheep sleep well at night knowing rough men stand ready to defend them."
Not much ROI, but a definite one. You can stand proud knowing men like you have courage the detractors only dream of and will weep and cry for when they need you.
And more, your personal family can be proud knowing their father is doing his part to keep them free, despite the cowardly way politicians are useing you. I gladly pay for your services. Much rather pay you than the politicians screwing you over daily.
Just to set your perspective right: you don't work for the .gov, you work for the American citizens.
Bless God, God bless you and yours, Cap'n. And God bless the military.
Very refreshing, thank you AM for the honesty. I agree with all points - the money is squandered and you are protecting nothing that is America. Hired hand, American Mercenary.
It is hard for me not being a member of the .mil to say such things even though I feel them intensely.
In all sincereity, I wish you peace as you struggle through this issue and blessings on your family for your integrity.
Seven Tango
In all seriousness you're not supposed to show a "return on investment" the military and the rest of the government are "overhead". Other than infrastructure, which the government really only finances, government doesn't produce anything of value. It's not supposed to. Government and the military is supposed to protect existing and maintain an environment for others "return on investment", this is done by protecting our liberties and our right to property. Now if you want to argue government has strayed from these proper tasks, amen brother but don't confuse that with a flaw in the theory. The fact that the military in particular and the government in general isn't protecting "the borders, not the civil liberties of American Citizens, not the public." is the fault of the politicians directing these efforts not the purposes and most of the people these efforts are supposed to fulfill. That the government and the military (affirmative action promotions for instance) has been "retasked" to social justice is the fault of the politicians and the American people who've allowed them to do so.
"The only thing I fear more than standing armies, is bankers." ~ Thomas Jefferson
Jefferson understood that only corrupt politicians would keep a standing army.
You want to serve the American people but your orders come from corrupt politicians.
You are absolutely correct. Gen. Butler recognized the same thing long ago - standing armed forces exist NOT to protect a nation, a state, a citizenry or freedom. They exist solely to project the extreme avarice of those in power, and those in the shadows whom they truly represent.
Those individuals who occasionally enter said forces with the best of intentions and ideals are deluded through appeals to patriotism & courage.
It is all utter bullshit.
Those who disagree & claim there must be a standing armed force to repel furriners bent on mayhem & destruction - please, PROVE IT. Prove that a nation WITH a standing army is immune from invasion. PROVE that a nation without is continually invaded. Use history, ALL of history, to make the point. Please.
ALL government exists solely to control, and part of that control involves destruction of wealth - the wealth of others. Government creates NOTHING, it has NOTHING but what is taken from others.
May i suggest for further consideration "our enemy the state", "discovery of freedom", and "war is a racket" as starting points?
itor
"Dieing." For real man? For real?
Yes, Social Security and Medicaid may be a rip off, but of the people who paid into it. I have probably paid in far more than I will ever get back, especially when considering buying power.
With respect, Sir! That Roman Empire lasted 1000 years, not least because of her Soldiers. The Soldiers did not fail her, sleazy ass politicians did.
Countries have no friends, sir, only interests. The Army exists to protect what are SUPPOSED to be the national interests of the American people.
If those people are duped and lied to and don't really believe in the cause, is it the duty of the Chiefs to tell POTUS, "No way, Bozo"? I think so, but this Army has avoided political engagement, in the main, from the beginning.
That greedy, perverted bastards have corrupted Christanity makes it no less viable; that the same is true of this America, makes the old no less true.
Someone has to keep the flame alive, and someone has to be ready to do the hard, dirty shit in the dark to keep that option open.
Can we go back to a legitimate Constitutional Republic after the fall? Not without honorable men of arms who know what;'s right, and who the enemy really is.
Gen Washington and Gen Lee no doubt felt as you do now, but both persevere., One won his country's
independence, the other did not. But in honor and duty, in good conscience, he tried like hell.
We need you and others like you; otherwise the Heinrich Himmlers take over, we need good NCO's to show the Privates the way and good officers for those NCO's to follow.
Remember 'Once an Eagle' and know that it has always been thus, but
in the crux, we need Soldiers.
You are doing something vitally important if you're teaching as well as training your soldiers.
True history is a rare commodity
these days, and the kids don't know . . .
You'll do well at whatever you do if you get out, I'm sure. But I think the future needs you where you are, shoveling shit against the tide with fork, tho that might be for now.
Let us disband the military and spend more on the war on poverty. I can say this because I'm leaving for a civilized country where there is no affirmative action nor PC BS. Adios muchachos!
Soldiers will always enjoy the respect and admiration of most American people, unlike their counterparts in the federal agencies.
Sorry, I recall any number of recruiter's lies told by all ranks, but I can't recall EVER hearing anyone tell me they signed on because they were told they were going to save the country.
You do your job, you get paid, and you receive ancillary training and experiences that may - or may not - be of any tangible benefit to you in the future.
A distant - measured in decimal places - possibility is that you might, during a hitch or a career, do something uniquely special. A far larger fraction is the possibility that you might die, from anything from enemy fire, friendly stupidity, or to falling off a bridge, to a rubber band breaking in your aircraft some dark and stormy night.
Woe unto the @$$hole whose negligence or self-pity contributed to the friendly stupidity, or who improperly maintained said rubber band.
Go watch "It's A Wonderful Life" to refresh the memory of what impact you and your service make - or fail to - in ways you couldn't imagine in your wildest dreams.
Then take the entire world out of your pack - it's too much gear to pack, trust me on this - and concentrate on just doing the best you can, where you are, with what you've got. Doing just that is more glory and honor than 80% of anyone ever merits given their lackadaisal daily half-assical behavior. Hell, anyone can be a civilian, there isn't even a freakin' required physical!
Oh, and go rest and recreate this weekend.
-Regards,
Aesop
"It's a wonderful life" is a work of fiction. Of course their was the guy who saved a young Adolph Hitler from drowning...
So you can't say that the world is a better place for what I do. Heck no one has been able to place one concrete benefit that they gain from what I do.
I could be taking your tax dollars and burning them as an offering to the flying spaghetti monster and you would really get the same benefits. Either way it is putting faith in something and supporting that faith with tax dollars. No concrete benefit at all. No clean water, no new roads, no secure borders, etc.
AM,
While you are certainly correct that a lot of what the military is tasked to do shouldn't even e done, you and the rest of us who have served do perform one important function. We give notice - or we did before we got a homo C-I-C - to the world not to f*ck with America.
That is more important than most people understand. It is a bit like a robber deciding to ply his trade in Massachusetts vs Florida. He isn't as likely to take the chance of messing with possibly armed citizens who can cap his ass, when he could be holding up liberal wimps who are known to be unarmed. We would have had Russian missiles parked in Cuba if our dickless C-I-C had been in charge then, just as we might when he finishes throwing away our nuclear weapons and giving away our anti-missile technology.
America has never been attacked by a Russian sub, but it just might be because AW's like myself trained and flew in S-2's and P-3 Orions along with American subs and surface ships in HUK groups hunted Russkies in the North Atlantic and elsewhere. If we all hadn't been out there, who knows what could have happened?
If we had a true citizen militia, similar to but better trained and equipped than Switzerland's, perhaps we might be able to do away with a standing army, but we need more than just a National Guard to keep America from being overrun by Russia and/or China.
You can sell our politicians short, and definitely our political flag officers, but don't sell yourself or your brothers-in-arms short. We need you, respect you, and support you.
RegT,
You ever think that some poor Russian Peasant was sitting in his communist underseaboat and thinking "I'm down here only to give purpose to the guy in the plane up there?"
The great lie in the USSR was that America was always a few seconds away from invading to destroy the "worker's paradise" and steal all of Russia's glory and women or something or other.
The great lie in America was that the Russians were always a few seconds away from charging across the Fulda Gap and that is why we needed a quarter of a million Americans on European soil.
The cold war was hot for those fighting proxy wars in Vietnam, Laos, Malaysia, Rhodesia, El Salvador, Columbia, Afghanistan...
And all of our American might didn't stop 9/11 did it? It was "security theater" of the highest order. Like the TSA we accomplished what in terms of real security?
Hell, since then the FBI has gotten lucky only when they provide a patsy with a bomb before busting them or get lucky when a convenience store clerk calls a la the Fort Dix Six.
I'm still going to go to work tomorrow, and I'm still going to work until they kick me out or I retire. But I'm not so sure that there is any real benefit to the American people from what I do. If all we do is make people feel better about where they live, I guess that is good enough a reason to earn a paycheck?
AM,
Don't confuse the hash that Carter and the Bushes and Clinton and -especially - Obama have made of our national security with the likelihood that we would be in much worse shape if the more aggressive governments of the world - like Russia and China - thought we would be easy pickings.
This isn't about what Russian peasants think. It isn't about what the average Iranian on the streets of Teheran think. It is all about governments, and what they think they can get away with.
So yes, feel all worthless and full of angst if it makes you feel better to do so, but even though our country continues to worsen our security as a nation by forcing insane rules of engagement upon our troops, gives away our secret military technology (Clinton did it too), and seeks to get rid of our nuclear deterrent, but having a strong military is indeed significant.
I don't know how many of you younger folks had dads who fought during WWII like I did, but I think you can thank them for the fact you don't speak German and that there are still a few Jews and Catholics and gypsies and others living today.
No matter how f*cked up our leaders - including flag rank military leaders - are today, having men and women who are proud to do the best they can is still important. I'm sorry you don't feel that way. Maybe you should quit and find a more pleasing way to earn that paycheck?
AM,
You're just gainsaying.
Of course "It's A Wonderful Life" is fiction. So are Aesop's Fables. The value lies in the points they teach, not the documentary qualities of talking foxes or racing tortoises.
A sword in a sheath or a pistol in a CCW rig are just as useful as you and your compatriots, even if none of them, or you, are ever utilized in anger or bathed in enemies' blood.
And the Cold War got hot enough for the crew of U.S.S. Scorpion when Comrade Leonid's CCCP navy sunk them in "peacetime"; ditto for the crew of U.S.S. Liberty attacked by allies 10,000 miles from Vietnam in 1973; or guys in an EC-121 the Norks splashed over NorthPac, &c, &c.
One little green snuffy just plugging along on post in the Cold War Fulda Gap was as valueless as you feel - right up until he capped a Baader-Meinhoff p.o.s. caught in the track park one night. (Hey, sometimes you just kill the communist you have, even if it ain't the one you wanted...) So ask the 11Bs (or their parents and families) who DIDN'T get charbroiled by the firebomb Gunther almost placed in their M113 how much SP4 Beetle Bailey's service was worth.
Or that of the never-saw-a-war NCO who taught him Basic 1911 marksmanship. Or the Joe in the armory who maintained the pistol, or delivered the box of .45ACP, or just made the coffee that kept him awake that night. Even at 5, I remember "Army" was a team sport.
Not counting Uncle Sam's loaners, I've only pointed a couple of my numerous weapons at anyone with anything close to malice, and never yet had to fire them in anger. (Yet...)
It's nice that there's a girl unraped because of that, but the lack of similar service doesn't rob the other weapons of value.
The same is true for you and company. Whether you know it or acknowledge it, or not. Thus endeth my lesson. I'd much rather get back to yours.
Regards,
-Aesop
Look fellas, if you are paying me to keep bad things from happening then how do we measure success?
Evidently in this nation a key leader can in front of the national media and claim that .gov spending has "created or saved X gajillion jobs" and they just let it pass because it makes them feel good about the narrative.
Saying "we kept the women unraped and the world free for democracy because the other guy didn't attack" seems a bit shaky in the logic department.
As a leader I am responsible for everything my unit does, or fails to do. I am not responsible for eventualities that don't come to pass because I may or may not have any effect on that potential future.
On the plus side, I'm keeping my New Years resolution to not commit any acts of genocide this year. Think of all the people I saved.
AM;
Regarding proxy wars; Let me just add that Rhodesians who fought to defend God, country, liberty, and their very livelihoods from the ravenous packs of well-supported commies who terrorized them -with the blessings of the UN apparat and world press to boot- weren't getting fuck-all but embargoes, grief, and hand-wringing angst from the [leftist] bastards calling the shots in both the US and 'Great' Britain at the time...And they stuck with it against all odds for as long as they could until finally succumbing in exhaustion to brokered lies. Sound familiar?
In the face of the global last mile socialist push for hegemony over every aspect of our lives, and the simultaneous PC deconstruction of the national command structure, military men with honor, integrity, and a willingness to abide by the Constitution they pledged to uphold are needed as never before at every level...But FWIW, I wouldn't blame you a whit if you've had it with the whole goatrope clusterfuck.
I don't know you from Adam but please accept my best wishes for success in whatever endeavor you may choose to pursue.
You're still stuck on utilization as a metric of success, and thus return on expenditure.
That's fine for a steak, but pretty stupid for the airbags on your car.
If you'd start thinking of yourself more like a Corvette than a cow...
The way to measure success is whether you - and every subordinate in your unit - are as technically and tactically proficient individually and corporately as you and they can be, given X time, until they reach a given level of competence at their designated tasks.
That can be your chosen level, the CGs, or the DoDs, but it by God better be higher than what's demanded by a meeting with Hadji, Abdul, or whoever, come the day.
If you want a metric for douchbaggery, look up General Garrison in Mogadischu 10/1983, or Admiral Kimmel in Pearl Harbor 12/1941.
Follow up with selections from Hamburger Hill, Gallipoli, Verdun, Bull Run, Little Big Horn, and any winter campaign vs. Russia outside of the Finns.
They'll probably be in the unvisited section of any post library.
Meanwhile, I've got to go to the store to buy some canned goods to not eat in case of earthquake, and some buckshot to not shoot when the riots start.
-Aesop
You took an oath to defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic. That's the Constitution you're sworn to uphold, not whatever government happens to be in power.
“This is the day in which the federal government hates and fears every one of us and makes few bones about it. We are all guilty until proven innocent — and increasingly not given the opportunity to defend ourselves. Does anyone here doubt that, among all the declared “wars on” this and that, we have become the enemy?” http://www.backwoodshome.com/blogs/ClaireWolfe/2012/03/02/burning-in-the-camps/
Ok Aesop,
If you are saying that my service is one big insurance policy (like an airbag) then are you getting your money's worth?
If you don't like your insurance company you are free to change, and if you don't like the airbags in your car you are free to switch cars. I guess you are free to lobby to get the .mil changed as well.
But once again we are back to the idea of service as a commodity, and we need some sort of metric for success. Airbags either work or they don't, and airbags have a very specific mission and metric for success.
Let us ask the serious question, what does the American Citizen need in terms of "military insurance?" Because until we can frame the issue in terms of actual citizen needs (like an airbag) you can't show me any metric for success.
Obviously the military isn't their to really stop anything bad from happening (we can't predict the future any more than any other government agency). At best we can respond, and that "threat of response" of a large standing Army does what exactly that a citizen militia can't do?
Oh sure we can drop a brigade of paratroopers anywhere in the world in less than a day, but is that some sort of key capability that is worth the cost? If you argue that the cost of not having that capability is anything but a concrete metric then we are back into the realm of might as well be dancing around a fire making offerings to Flying Spaghetti Monster in terms of return on investment.
Anything that can be measured can be optimized, if it can't be measured is it truly a definition of success or failure?
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