12 May 2010

Worlds apart

I think that the "ATF" should be a convenience store. The VPC thinks that the ATF is way to lenient.

c Federal law requires that any firearm proposed to be imported into the United States havea “sporting purpose” (with exceptions for police or military use). However, the Bureau of Alcohol,Tobacco and Firearms is notoriously lax in its administration of this requirement and has clearlyallowed the import of military sniper rifles under other names.

And the VPC thinks that the ATF is "notoriously lax in it's enforcement".

In short, a sniper rifle by any other name is still as deadly. A sniper rifle is bestrecognized by how it is made and what it is capable of doing—whether it is “purposedesigned”and “purpose-built” for sniping. This firearm is set apart from others notprincipally by language, but by its exceptional accuracy, range, and power.

This subject is near and dear to my heart because there are no classification of firearms that are not powerful. The Israeli's used the lowly 10/22 as a "sniper rifle" for very specific missions. The Remington 700 was not purpose designed by Remington to be a sniper rifle, the Marine Corps CHOSE the 700 action when they spec'd what they wanted for their sniper rifle from the best available components of the era.

Here is what the VPC has to say: As an example, we know the Marine Corps M40 rifle,developed for the Marines during the Vietnam War by Remington Arms,was not originally intended to be a SWAT or varmint (animal type) rifle.However, it was soon brought out as the “Varmint Special” and later the“Police Sniper Special” or PSS. Today’s current police model is labeled the Remington 700P. Somehow they forget that the Remington 700 was originally designed to kill animals, and that humans ARE an animal.

The base assumption that the VPC has is this, there are "evil" guns meant solely for killing people, and then there are "not so evil" guns (like the 30-30 carbine) which nobody in their right mind would use on elk or big bear.

The idiots forget one simple truth. In US history we have never had a firearm specifically designed as a sniper rifle for the US Army. The M107 was first a civilian sporting arm, the Rem700 was first a civilian sporting arm, the Winchester M70 was first a civilian sporting arm, the M110 (aka SR25) was first a civilian sporting arm, even our in house sniper rifles such as the M21 and M25 (based on the M14 platform) were using National Match civilian parts.

Without a civilian shooting community WE WOULDN'T have a real military sniping community.

Remember, when someone starts talking about "evil guns" that need to be banned, it is just an attempt to divide and conquer. As Col Townsend Whelen said a century ago, "Only accurate rifles are interesting".

And the VPC is only interested in making all guns illegal.

3 comments:

tom said...

Lots of elk and bear have been taken with .30-30. Just sayin'... Shot placement and stay within the performance envelope of the cartridge you are using and you can make a lot of small things work on big things.

My main elk rifle when I lived in Colorado was a Trapper .30-30 because it was handy as hell scrambling around the mountains and I wasn't going places where anything would be at long range.

Lots of people have been killed over the years with .30-30 too.

If we use this logic, is .35 Rem a "police ambush cartridge" because of it's involvement in the demise of Bonnie and Clyde? There were at least 3 Model 8s involved in that activity. Or is .35 Rem a "sporting chambering" because it's my favorite deer barrel for my Contender, replacing the .30-30 barrel that now sees little usage for the task?

AM said...

Tom,

I agree that the 30-30 gets no respect despite its excellent track record.

I should have been clearer that the VPC considered the 30-30 a "200 yard and under deer cartridge" and referred to it in such terms earlier in the same "sniper rifle" article.

I wouldn't use one for elk or bear unless it was my only rifle. I built that light and handy 8x57 "psuedo scout" rifle so I could handload 32 Special ballistics for deer and 30-06 level ballistics for elk.

tom said...

I've got a .458 Lott and .500 Express down to .17s and most everything in-between but all shots I ever got in that area of mountains that I'd take were inside of 75 yards. If it was across a canyon I wasn't going to shoot it because I hunted by myself mostly and packing an elk out of that part of the Sangre De Cristos wasn't easy if you got one in the wrong spot. Heavily forested steep mountainsides...Trapper was handiest.

These days I mostly use .338 or .375 for everything, but I'm not afraid of using a .30-30 within it's performance envelope. Think the .338WM Garand conversion has become Elk Rifle numero uno, though. If you can't do it with a tack driving .338 semi with the 5 rounds in it, you really shouldn't be shooting at the elk :-)

.35 Rem is about perfect for a 200 yard handgun oriented deer cartridge.